98d, Posted for: Whole Community

January 25, 2024

Posted by: Bruce Pagel

{"ops":[{"attributes":{"bold":true},"insert":"CAPITALISM HAS AFFECTED ME"},{"attributes":{"align":"center"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"Capitalism has given me greater freedom. Coming from Enlightenment thought which gave us the ideals of unalienable rights of man including life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. Adam Smith expanded on this to argue, \nCapitalism has provided greater choices (selection of goods, career, etc.)\nCapitalism has provided a good standard of living and improved conditions.\nCapitalism has created a number of middle-class jobs making it more likely I may be employed.\nBecause capitalism allows for innovation, labor unions formed to provide collective force of employees to overcome unsafe work conditions, low pay, long work hours, etc. meaning the free capitalist market has provided me with safe work conditions, acceptable pay (and freedom to go someplace else is the pay is not acceptable), and standardized work hours. \n"},{"attributes":{"bold":true},"insert":"COMMENTS ON THE PODCAST"},{"attributes":{"align":"center"},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"“It’s true because I want to believe it” with relationships. It seems we have to want it to work in order to make it work. If this is related to “It’s true because I ‘need’ it to be true so I can be happy,” the concept likely is unreasonable.\nThe opposite of “we do it because it’s what we’ve always done” is as unreasonable as “we’ve always done it that way so it must be obsolete, let’s change it.” People have said the Constitution is obsolete because it does not consider modernity and its ramifications. However, the Constitution allows for amendment which would provide for that change. If people choose not to go through the effort of the amendment process it is a failure of the people, not of the document itself. Another reaction to that is that it is obsolete because we have outcomes we don’t like therefore, we can legitimately bypass it. \nSocio-centric thinking leads to a situation such as that articulated in the Shirley Jackson short story "},{"attributes":{"italic":true},"insert":"The Lottery"},{"insert":". The last words of the victim were, “It isn’t fair. It isn’t right.” One of these statements is apparently false while the other is arguably true. This story was an attempt by Jackson to point out the danger of blindly following tradition.\nIf we engage in socio-centric thinking and we are aware of that fact, are we to accept the beliefs of other societies as no better nor no worse that ours? In other words, are there absolute truths? This question comes from some recent reading in which it appears that males in a number of cultures accept rape as legitimate. I can’t believe that action can be considered acceptable because I don’t want to believe it. I can’t imagine it to be legitimate. Is this an error in thinking? I can form a cogent argument against this act based on the rights of all people but if women, in the subject culture, are considered lesser, that argument will not convince any men in that culture to change.  \n"}]}


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Posted by: Gerald Nosich

{"ops":[{"insert":"Hi Bruce,\n Thanks for your comments. One thing I especially liked about them is that you bring up \"the other side\"--arguments either questioning or opposed to some of the points of view in the podcast.\n\nLet me respond briefly to a few of your points. You very commendably detail some of the benefits that you see capitalism has brought about. What I don't see is an attempt to detail some of the harms capitalism has brought about. (Maybe you believe that capitalism is 100% positive. I doubt that's what you're saying. But if so, it would be good to say so directly.) That said, many of the benefits you attribute to capitalism may well not be a result of capitalism, but of other aspects of life since "},{"attributes":{"italic":true},"insert":"Wealth of Nations"},{"insert":". Indeed, some of the benefits you mention are traditionally thought of as opposed to capitalism: collective bargaining, mandated safety working conditions, higher pay, shorter hours. These were all accomplished by legislation directly aimed at limiting the power oof capitalism. Prominent advocates of capitalism still today argue against all of these. They oppose laws that limit free marketing.\n\tAbout your remarks on relationships: It may well be true, as you say, that for a relationship to work I have to believe in it. But relationships do not work just because a person believes in it. There have to be a great many other factors going on to make a relationship work. There are plenty of dysfunctional and/or abusive relationships that continue because people believe in them--despite all evidence to the contrary.\n\tAbout your last remark on sociocentric thinking: Different societies accept different beliefs and engage in different practices from one another. But that is entirely separate from the question of whether a particular belief is true or false and whether a particular practice is right or wrong, ethical or unethical. These latter two questions are not to be answered simply by what this or that society "},{"attributes":{"italic":true},"insert":"believes"},{"insert":". They are to be answered by reasoned judgment and evidence of harm done. Whether you can "},{"attributes":{"italic":true},"insert":"convince"},{"insert":" someone of something is a quite different matter. That's mostly a psychological question. There may well be no way to convince X that he has not been abducted by aliens. Many human beliefs are deeply entrenched in us.\n\tThanks again for you comments. I can see your mind thinking its way through these questions.\n\n"}]}



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